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Maturarea in butoi de stejar

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#161
gap
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Salcam am in gradina, nu reusesc sa scap de el de 10 ani . Nu stiam ca e bun la asa ceva , merci de sfat, o sa testez.

Rachiul e asa tare ca a ramas cum l-am scos. 12 bidoane cu tarii intre 45 si 80 de grade (asa se lauda alcoolmetru). Media matematica a bidoanelor ar fi 64 grade. Va mai trebui diluat, ca la 64 de grade cel mult te alegi cu arsuri pe esofag. Am facut un test de diluare cu apa plata, si nu se tulbura, tot lipede cristal ramane. Cred ca tine si de ce apa plata folosesti.

Maine ma duc sa cumpar doua damingene, il aduc la 55 grade si il pun la invechit. O sa fac experimente cu diverse aschi sa vad ce iese. Daca da bine, aplic reteta la intreaga cantitate.


 
   
#162
Caberlot
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interesant    salcimul se marita bine cu perele/merele   o sa tinem minte !

ai ars aschiile mai inainte sau nu ?

inafara de culoare ... ce plus mai aduce salcimul ?
... stii stejarul ars auce urme de vanilie , migdale etc.

sunt curios la ce concluzie va ajunge GAP 

... si ... cred ca ar fi bun niste lemn uscat    cel putin la stejar asa e  producatorii de butoaie de marca se lauda ca tin afara in ploaie si soare cel putin 6 luni lemnele pregatite pt. facut doage 


asteptam concluzii despre salcim !
 

p.s.
eu as recomnda sa faci niste baghete de lemn de salcim ... cam 1x1x cit vrei 3-4-5 cm si sa le arzi la cuptor pina incep sa miroasa bine ... sau ne arse
==> asa o sa ai un reper clar cite bucati /L pui ca sa iasa ceva ok ... ... la aschii e mai greu
... oricum butoi de merlot    asta promite  daca butoiul nu a fost otetit sau nu a avut alte belele ... ... si CULOAREA VA FI TRAZNET


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#163
gap
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Momentan cred ca stau pe loc cu butoiul. pentru ca nu a fost al meu si nu stiu cum a fost intretinut. Sa fac experiment nu prea am cum, ca e butoi de 40l, daca pun putin in el se evapora tot. Asa ca merg pe aschii.
Nu am apucat sa fac test cu salcam. Dar o sa fac cu de toate .

Pana gasesc reteta, pun alcoolul in damingene.


 
   
#164
Caberlot
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testul ... ca sa fie relevant ...cred ca trebuie sa dureze mai mult de1 luna 

culoarea iese in 1-2 saptamani ... chiar 4-5 zile sunt ok ca sa ai o idee de ce va iesii    dar pt arome ... se cere mai multa vreme  POATE dupa o luna sa incepi sa simti ceva nou ... dar mai sigur dupa 3-6 luni

... oricum daca supradozezi aschiile ... poate ca poti aproxima intr-un timp mai scurt ce va iesii ==> SI VA IESII CEVA MAI BUN 

LA CANTITATEA MARE ... NU INCERCA SA SUPRADOZEZI !!!


TIMPUL ... ARE SI EL GUSTUL LUI ... SI E CU ++


 

P.S.
EU AM INCERCAT CIRES, HYCKORY , ARTAR SI STEJAR
... m-am oprit pe artar + stejar  ...
ciresul nu m-a convins si hyckory nu-mi place neaparat ...
artarul parca da o nota de dulceatza ... si ii mai taie din intepatura
( - se arde mai iute ca stejarul )
... si stejarul ... vine cu vanilie amande etc.

p.s.2
butoiul ... oparestel bine si pune 10L de apa clocotita in el ... si gusta apa dupa 2-3 luni (oricum nu se tine pe gol) ... daca iti place ... poate ca merita sa-l incerci


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#165
tclipa
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am folosit salcam "nears"; mi se pare ca salcamul ii da un pic de dulceata plus un efect de "pacalire" asupra tariei ... bautura parca nu mai are atatea grade, merge binisor la vale pe calea gatlejului ca sa zic asa dar te ia prin surprindere daca nu esti atent

 
   
#166
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@tclipa & gap ...

uite o ... idee mai clara ... despre ce inseamna invechirea ... si citi ani ---vine de la cognac  http://www.fileshare.ro/e29974767http:/ ... /e29974775


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#167
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continuare

poate ca va intereseaza si ... sursa=situl
http://www.pediacognac.com/le-vieilliss ... s/?lang=fr

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#168
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BUTOI .WISICHI BOURBON ... AROME ...


... PT CURIOSI ... nu zic sa faceti experimente de 15-21 de ani ... dar altii le-au facut ... si aveti mai jos ceva rezultate :

http://rumproject.com/rumforum/viewtopic.php?t=585

Buffalo Trace's Limited Releases:

Rice Bourbon Whiskey
These barrels were filled on April 30, 2002, and aged on the 7th floor of Warehouse I for 9 years and 5 months. Corn, malt and rice are the ingredients used in the recipe, resulting in a very clean aroma with the barrel notes of caramel and spice. A crisp flavor on the tongue is noticed, without any heaviness or oiliness whatsoever. A slight dryness near the end provides a quick finish. It is a very delicate whiskey.

Oat Bourbon Whiskey
These barrels have the same fill date, aging location and aging time as the Rice Bourbon. Corn, malt and oats are the ingredients used in this recipe, resulting in a pleasantly smoky nose with a rich aroma of toasted oats that offers a nice complexity. On the palette, the smokiness intrigues as hints of dried fig and stone fruit come through, and eventually give way to an earthy finish.

1989 Barrels, Rediscovered:
These seven barrels were filled on Nov. 17, 1989. The still proof and entry proof are unknown. After more than 21 years of aging, the wood is very prominent, but it still doesn’t conquer the rich vanilla and caramel flavors that bring to mind handmade holiday candy.

1991 Barrels, Rediscovered:
These 8 barrels were filled on Oct. 29, 1991 and the still proof and entry proof are unknown. After a little more than 19 years, the warm and spicy aroma of this bourbon is overtaken by a robust black walnut character on the palette that finishes as thick candied fruits. The flavor lasts an eternity.

1993 Barrels, Rediscovered:
These 8 barrels were filled on May 13, 1993 and like the other two offerings in this collection, the still proof and entry proof are unknown. After 17 years and 7 months in the barrel, this bourbon has a nice rich and creamy texture, like a whiskey latte with extra foam and a shot of vanilla. A great sipper for long cold nights.


2010

1995 French Oak Barrel Aged:
This barrel was filled on April 7, 1995 and bottled July 21, 2010. Buffalo Trace Rye Bourbon Mash Bill #2 was used and the product entered the barrel at 125 proof. After more than 15 years and 3 months of aging, the new toasted French Oak barrel added rich complexity and interesting flavors to this whiskey. The result is a leathery and woody whiskey that has a good depth with a dark, dry finish.

1995 American Oak Chips Seasoned:
This barrel was filled on April 7, 1995 with Buffalo Trace Rye Bourbon Mash Bill #2 and toasted oak chips were added. After more than 15 years and 4 months of aging, this whiskey was bottled on August 5, 2010. The whiskey in this charred American White Oak barrel derived a smoky complexity from the toasted oak chip seasoning. It is a lighter whiskey for its age and has a good flavor without being heavy.


2009

FINE GRAIN OAK:
These barrels were filled July13, 1994 and bottled May 7, 2009. Buffalo Trace Mash Bill #2 was used and the product entered the barrel at 125 proof. After more than 14 years of aging, the slow-growth of fine grain wood concentrated the sugars and imparted extra doses of caramel and vanilla. The bourbon is rich and exceedingly sweet with an almost syrupy character. It also has a nice balance of flavors and complexity.

COARSE GRAIN OAK:
The filling and aging time on these barrels is the same as with the fine grain. After nearly 15 years in the barrel, this whiskey is dry with a balance of smokiness and wood with herbal qualities. The finish is quick and woody and it is slightly heavy with a powerful complexity.

1993 Double Barreled:
These barrels were filled April 4, 1993 and bottled September 15, 2009. Buffalo Trace Rye Bourbon Mash Bill #2 was used and the product entered the barrel at 125 proof. The bourbon was removed from its original barrel and re-barreled December 12, 2001. At 16 years and five months of age the finished product has a deep, rich flavor that fully expresses the oak character. The re-barreling has taken it far beyond its 16 years. It has a very strong, powerful finish.

1997 Double Barreled:
These barrels were filled November 18, 1997 and bottled September 16, 2009. Buffalo Trace Rye Bourbon Mash Bill #2 was used and the product entered the barrel at 125 proof. The bourbon was removed from its original barrel and re-barreled December 12, 2001. At 11 years and ten months of age the finished product has a complex barrel flavor. It possesses a deep caramel color making it pleasing to the eye as well as the palette. It has a very robust start and finishes smooth.


2008

CABERNET FRANC AGED AFTER SIX YEARS:
This whiskey was bourbon aged for six years and three months in a new oak barrel before it was re-barreled into a used French Oak Cabernet Franc barrel. There it was aged for another eight years, making it a total of 14 years old. Earthy tannins of Cabernet mingle well with the bourbon undertones.

CABERNET FRANC AGED AFTER EIGHT YEARS:
This whiskey was bourbon aged for eight years and one month in a new oak barrel before it was re-barreled into a used French Oak Cabernet Franc barrel. There it was aged for another eight years, making it a total of 16 years old. The taste combines an amazing balance of heavy wine and bourbon character.

17 year-old Rum Marriage:
This consists of two 17 year-old barrels of Rum. One barrel was new and one used. Both barrels were aged on the second floor of Warehouse I in charred oak barrels. The new and used barrel samples developed their own character over the years but neither was inspiring—that all changes when the two barrels came together. The rum aged in new wood offers oak sweetness and rich caramels, while the used barrel aged rum packs intense tannins and heavier rum flavors. The marriage is very balanced.


2007

CHARDONNAY AGED AFTER SIX YEARS:
This whiskey was bourbon that was aged for six years and three months in a new oak barrel before it was re-barreled into a used French oak Chardonnay barrel. There it was aged for another eight years, making it a total of 14 years old. The taste combines the fruitiness from the Chardonnay barrel with smoky vanilla taste of the whiskey.

CHARDONNAY AGED AFTER TEN YEARS:
This whiskey was bourbon aged for ten years and six months in a new oak barrel. Then it was then re-barreled in a used French oak Chardonnay barrel for another 8 years. Aged a total of 18 years this whiskey boasts more oak at the start, but finishes with the fruitiness of the wine influence.

ZINFANDEL AGED AFTER SIX YEARS:
This whiskey was bourbon that was aged for six years and three months in a new oak barrel before it was re-barreled into a used American Oak Zinfandel barrel. There it was aged for another eight years, making it a total of 14 years old. The expected wine fruitiness is absent in the initial palette, but is replaced with an exciting spiciness. It is not the rye-grain spice normally associated with bourbon, but a grape-vine herbal quality that slides across the tongue and lingers for what seems like forever. This is an epic whiskey with grandeur and grace. Old world quaffing of a vine and field mélange.

ZINFANDEL AGED AFTER TEN YEARS:
This whiskey was bourbon aged for ten years and four months in a new oak barrel. Then it was then re-barreled in a used American Oak Zinfandel barrel for another 8 years. Aged a total of 18 years this whiskey carries little subtlety. The original whiskey brings powerful flavors to the refinement of the zinfandel wine barrel. The battle of flavor is won rather than shared by the bourbon. The zinfandel does dance along the edges with its dry herbal flavorings, but the bourbon fills the ballroom with its grain and wood bouquet.

2006

FRENCH OAK:
This bourbon was aged ten years in a French Oak barrel in which the staves were first air-dried for 24 months. The French Oak has given the whiskey a sugary sweetness and dark caramel color.

TWICE BARRELED:
After aging this bourbon for eight years and eight months, this whiskey was put into a brand new barrel. With twice the wood, this whiskey has lots of oak and has a long warm finish.

FIRE POT BARREL:
This barrel was heated to 102°F for 23 minutes to dry the wood prior to filling. The whiskey has a smoky nose, and hints of fruit and tobacco on the pallet.


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Pentru vin nu am ficat,/Pentru apă... inimă! "PĂSTOREL

 
   
#169
Caberlot
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... de pe acelasi SITE ... niste concluzii
(imi pare rau ... dar sunt tot in engleza ... daca cineva vrea sa le traduca ... )

AICI ... SE SPUNE CA LEMNUL CONTEAZA MAI MULT DECIT CHERRY ???
   
PostPosted: Tue Nov 22, 2011 3:56 am    Post subject: Sherry Barrel Facts: Wow!     Reply with quote
More mythbusting...


More and more we are all exposed to reviews and posters speaking glowingly - or hatefully - about the dreaded or revered "sherry profile". These are put forth on the basis that they hold a very old belief - a myth - that there is "leftover sherry" in the used sherry barrels. See our nearby post (here).

Fact One: the "sherry profile" is actually a sort of apricot and orange overtone, not sherry.

Fact Two: although there are some minor effects due to compounds retained in the barrel, Macallan has found that it is the wood - not the previous contents - that have the major effect on profile, not "leftover" sherry or bourbon.

Fact Three: the Spanish oak used to make sherry barrels has perhaps 40 times the tannins of American oak. Tannins are catalysts that promote oxidation and the creation of new flavors and aromas, ie new compounds. The idea that "absorbed sherry" remains unmodified is incorrect.

Fact Four: the single malt industry actually uses 300,000 to 400,000 used bourbon barrels annually, compared to only 18,000 used sherry barrels (Whiskeywise.com). But you don't notice much comment about single malts "bourbon profile".

Fact Five: Sherry barrels are very, very expensive to use. One source noted that the use of ex-sherry barrels costs about $300 per fill, compared to about just $40 per fill for ex-bourbon barrels. Typical estimates state that ex-sherry barrels are ten times as expensive as ex-bourbon.


Bottom Line:

If you remember butt one thing (pun intended) it's that the previous contents are not nearly as important as the wood itself (species of oak) in iinfluencing aroma and flavor.

The notion that there is leftover bourbon or sherry, akin to simply pouring a pitcher of old spirits into the barrel, is simply hogshead wash. Otherwise all rum and whisky would taste like either bourbon or sherry.

Of course, they dont.
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#170
iunicu
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Am trimis multe cunostinte sa se documenteze pe forum. E drept ca cei mai multi au prins rusa la scoala. M-au intrebat de ce nu traducem chestiile alea importante in romana.

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#171
Caberlot
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@ Iunicu

... pai ... nu le traducem pentru ca nimeni nu cere ceva ... de ex: AS VREA SA STIU CUM VINE ASTA  ati putea sa traduceti pasajul asta ?
... SI nu le traducem pentru ca necesita timp    si eu unul nu am 

CRED CA DEJA CONSUMAM O CANTITATE APRECIABILA DE TIMP INCERCIND SA AFLAM LUCRURI NOI DESPRE PASIUNEA NOASTRA  ...
= SA NE FACEM UN ALCOOL MAI BUN DECIT CEEA CE PUTEM CUMPARA LA UN PRET DECENT DIN MAGAZIN

...    incercam si noi sa facem ceva bun ...   daca nu e perceput asa    mie personal imi pare foarte rau   
... si cu toate astea ... o sa-mi investesc putinul timp liber de care dispun ... "tot in cercetare" de noutati pe internet    ... si nu in traduceri 
(... specialistii romani ... daca sunt cumva pe aici pe forum ... se remarca prin tacere ... asa ca ... vrem nu vrem cautam la altii care au traditie si la facut si la scris in domeniul alcooalelor  :-( ... )

... dar ... pot sa va scutesc de aceste ... englezisme / frantuzisme   


 

p.s.
o sa prefer intotdeauna o documentatie in ro    asta daca exista 
(pt ... motivul asta ... impartasesc informatiile PE UN FORUM din ro!)

p.s.2
de ex ... sunt f.f incintat ca Pazucu a reusit sa-si transforme sfecla in zamahoanca :-) si cred ca in felul asta a cistigat mai bine decit sa dea sfecla la o fabrica de zahar =>uite ca cineva traieste o idee mai bine si noi l-am ajutat
... treaba cu ... impozitele pt. un stat parazit care ingrasa clasa politica si distruge populatia si o tara intreaga etc. ... treaba asta chiar nu ma intereseaza !


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#172
iunicu
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Imi pare rau ca ai inteles astfel randurile scrise de mine. Nici sa nu te gandesti ca te-as certa cumva. Te socotesc un prieten drag. Considera ca m-a luat gura( degetele) pe dinainte si dupa ce ai citit, sterge interventia mea te rog.

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#173
Caberlot
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@Iunicu ...

ma bucr tare sa vad ca ai reaparut pe forum    si sunt de acord cu tine ca daca informatia ar fi in ro  ar fi mult mai utila  ...
DAR asa cum am zis ... asta cere si mai mult timp, efort ,energie    si nu prea avem resurse 

ASA CA ... muieti is posmagii ?   ...
... oricum dca cineva nu face macar efortul sa caute pe forum si sa puna o intrebare despre ce il intereseaza DUPA CE A CITIT CE E SCRIS PE AICI ...atunci persoana X nu e interesata    ...

... oricum imi pare cam ciudat ca cineva pierde 2-3 minute sa intrebe ceva  fara sa citeasca ce s-a scris    si noi pierdem apoi 10-15 min ca sa ii raspundem   

nu crezi ca nu e chiar normala situatia ?
( personal ... chair nu vreau sa invatz pe nimeni nimic ... daca nu e interesat !)


 


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#174
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pozee :

http://travellogs.us/2008%20Logs/Tennes ... 20Tour.htm

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#175
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continuare

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#176
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https://drinksanddrinking.com/2012/05/2 ... rton-1792/

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#177
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http://www.whiskeybarrel.com/#blendSlides

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#178
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http://woodenbarrelwarehouse.com/cooper ... el-making/

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#179
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...fa un butoi ... SINE

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#180
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un butoi intr=o sticla ???????

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